Summary Review – Answers For Questions Received About EPIC V3 Draw-Down in Oil Trading Room Today.

Please Note: There is an edit revision below that includes a question and answer session for Sept 5, 2019 that provides significantly more detail.

As the trading day progressed and we broadcast our trades in the live oil trading room today we received a number of questions by way of email and direct message. Below is an oil trading room review summary.

We did not have time to respond to the questions during the trading day as we were working with the machine trading software (coding).

Today the software had a larger than normal draw-down shorting against a rally in crude oil trade. Below is the daily profit and loss chart.

For September 4, 2019 Profit & Loss Daily -$1,205 YTD +$12,559 Projected $77,696 or 78% Per Annum. v3 Oil Machine Trade 100k Sample Account (v4 period excluded) #OOTT $CL_F $USOIL $WTI $USO #machinetrading #oiltradealerts

Profit Loss, Machine Trading, Crude Oil

For September 4, 2019 Profit & Loss Daily v3 Oil Machine Trade $CL_F $USOIL $WTI $USO

The sequence the software was triggering trades to was a new sequence. When a new sequence activates the first go-round is often a loss, albeit normally less than today’s.

On the second or third go-round you will find that the software will win and continue to win better each time or it simply will not re-engage that same sequence.

The draw-down amount will normally be less as I mentioned, however, draw-downs will occur.

Nevertheless, the EPIC v3 crude oil trading software is extremely stable for a number of reasons, below are some of those reasons.

  • If you look at the ROI trajectory for the software you will find that when draw-downs occur that the software will self-adjust its risk threshold to maintain the minimum trajectory.
  • The software catalogs its trading set-ups, some set-ups it near never loses, some rarely, some not so rare. The point is, the software is coded to self adjust its minimum achieved ROI trajectory (correct it) as needed. In other words, it is coded to correct its minimum achieved trajectory by way of risk-threshold. To be more clear, it will be sure it self adjusts (wins) and how it is coded to do that is to bias its trade executions to its more probable set-ups.
  • Its current ROI trajectory is between 80% – 90% approximately, you will see the software self-adjust its trade executions to more probable set-ups until that minimum trajectory is returned.
  • Each time the trajectory is returned to the minimum average it will engage higher risk to learn trade set-ups. This process will continue and repeat over and over again. Over time the trajectory should increase on average as a result.
  • The risk threshold of v3 vs v4 is much less aggressive (draw-downs and gains are considerably less volatile) and days like today will be few and far between because (as explained above) it will self-adjust back to the minimum ROI trajectory via the most probable trade set-ups of which it has some now that literally it very never loses if at all. It can rely on the catalog of those set-ups to adjust. 

I can’t stress enough that the v3 software is not anywhere near similar in aggressiveness to the v4 version. This version is coded to avoid volatility, avoid large draw downs, and self adjust its risk threshold via high probable set-ups to snapiback to its minimum ROI trajectory as needed. 

Watch the software over the next number of days and you will see it return to its minimum average trajectory and then you will see it take new sequence trade set-ups and the process will continue to repeat over and over.

If the software did not have trade set-ups (sequences) that it wins at near 100% of the time none of the above would apply.

Any questions about the detail of code architecture feel welcome to send us questions anytime so we can publish responses for our stakeholders to review as needed.

Below is an update. After the original blog post was released we had a few more questions come in that I would add answer to below. What I have done is copy and pasted the conversation below.

September 5 2019 Update: Oil Trading Room Review: Question and Answers EPIC V3 Software Protocol

[6:54 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: I still don’t understand that in some of the big moves the software fires opposite to the direction of the move but something we can talk about on Saturday
[7:22 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: easy answer
[7:22 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: if you look at the chart the price has come way off
[7:22 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: software had order flow right
[7:23 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: execution of sequence needs tweaking
[7:23 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: same as when it gets the bottoms in sell offs, it used to struggle with that
[7:23 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: as far as why it didn’t trigger with the rally….
[7:24 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: thats simple too
[7:24 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: order flow is random in a rally like that, it will near never trigger mid rally in rally’s induced by news, no predictable order flow data
[7:24 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: short covering and retail daytrader trade causes the majority of the rally, no structure
[7:25 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: so the key is it triggering on the predictable wins to maintain ROI trajectory and as time goes on slowly learning other set ups
[7:25 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: i should have put this in the original blog post report
[7:26 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: i will do an addendum / update report
[7:27 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: I understand why it would not fire in the big moves because of lack of structure and order flow
[7:27 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: I just don’t understand why when there is a big move down it is firing long and when there is a big move up it fires short
[7:27 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: we tried to code a trajectory trade sequence for rally’s on news but we couldn’t get the code, too random
[7:28 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Yes that makes sense to me
[7:28 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: because its catching the end of the move to turn the other way, next in the code is to get it to hold some size through the reversal
[7:29 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: the essence of the development right there, step one is code the reversal step two code the middle of the move, the middle is much more complicated to code
[7:30 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Ahhh okay
[7:31 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: the order-flow at the reversal is where the trading edge is…. seeing the order-flow pattern of the other machine liquidity on the IDENT program starting to turn for the reversal, thats why the machine trade software nails near 100% of the turns up in price on intraday trade after a sell off, but to get the sell-off you have to get the reversal like it was trying to do today and then you’re golden
[7:31 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Okay yes I understand that now
[7:31 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: its all about being able to get the reversal first, thats where the predictability is
[7:32 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: once you have the sequence for the reversal then you can start on the middle core of the trade, we have the sell off reversal perfected and now we’re working on the middle of the move
[7:32 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: the reversal after a rally to the short side still needs work, they’re different (reversal at top and reversal at bottom intraday)
[7:34 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: without the reversal right its impossible to get the rest, the reversal is where you have to plant your trade, start your trade for high win rate probability, nothing else provides a high probability scenario that can be duplicated time after time
[7:34 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: hope that helps
[7:34 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Yes I get that now
[7:34 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: good questions for the report update, doesn’t hurt to share
[7:35 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: You want to get the top of the rally
[7:35 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: what happens in the middle is too random so if you get the top of a rally or the bottom of a sell off for the reversal and get your size in place then you have the trend to make the next turn
[7:36 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: But what is telling the software it is at the top when it really isnt and so it keeps firing short when the rally has not ended. That’s what I wanted to understand
[7:36 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: its the bottoms and tops that have clear predictability, hence why we have the near 100% win rate on sell off reversals, but the rally tops are a different sequence that we’re working on
[7:37 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: it was firing in to the top today, it nailed the top of the rally, it was firing 56.12 to 56.50, and then it came off to 55.90, its the same as the sell off bottoms, it trades them the same way, same concept, different sequence
[7:38 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: that wasn’t the problem
[7:38 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: That makes sense. Because I remember you working on the bottoms of the sell off and now have that nailed
[7:38 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: the problem is the sequence that it uses to gain size at the top and hold for the sell off reversal after the rally is the challenge we were working on
[7:38 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: the sequence at tops is different than at bottoms
[7:39 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Yes that makes sense to me
[7:39 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: we have the bottom sequence perfected for the turn up after the sell-off, in that scenario we are now working on the sizing so that it holds some in the reversal rally
[7:39 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: but the secret is this…
[7:40 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: the only way the code wins near 100% of the time, the only way that is possible is at the reversals, reversal of a rally or reversal of the sell off
[7:40 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: thats how the others that are winning have done it, we can see it in the order flow, its precise and repeatable over and over again
[7:41 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: the middle of the move isn’t that way, it is random
[7:41 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Okay I understand much better now
[7:42 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: so if you have an ROI trajectory at say 85% and your code is nailing every bottom the only way to increase the ROI is to nail the tops or get your size better at bottoms for more profit in the move
[7:42 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: so slowly we’ll work on nailing the tops for reversals and slowly work on holding more size when we’ve nailed the bottom reversals to increase ROI
[7:43 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: when we lose as we develop those scenarios those trades won’t trigger (the software learning will stop) and the predictable set ups only will trigger to keep the 85% ROI at minimum (or whatever the ROI trajectory is at)
[7:44 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: we have more than just the bottom reversals after a sell off in the ammo, but i think you get my point
[7:44 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: there’s daytrading set ups it triggers to all the time, small wins intraday
[7:44 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Makes sense
[7:45 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: its just that today was a mathematically very large rally to which you see a larger than average loss, thats why i know that scenario will be very few and far between, very rare
[7:46 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Yes that was an unusually large move in price
[7:46 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: so its about risk management when it goes wrong and when it does the software / development team stopping the learning and software only trades what we know wins until trajectory of ROI is back in play (returned to its regular trajectory)
[7:46 PM, 9/4/2019] Answer: 3 days of trading and the previous ROI trajectory will be back at 85% – 90% and then as it learns the trajectory will turn up because the software now has more set-ups to trigger on that it wins consistently, at current level it is maxed out at about 90% ROI so it needs to add to its catalog of set-ups to increase ROI trajectory, the learning is where you will have short term draw-downs
[7:46 PM, 9/4/2019] Question: Yes that’s good

And remember, if you are struggling with your trading and need some trade coaching go to our website and register as needed.

Email me as needed compoundtradingofficial@gmail.com.

Best and Peace,

Curt

Other Reading:

NYMEX WTI Light Sweet Crude Oil futures (ticker symbol CL), the world’s most liquid and actively traded crude oil contract, is the most efficient way to trade today’s global oil markets. https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/why-futures/welcome-to-nymex-wti-light-sweet-crude-oil-futures.html

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The Report Below Shows You Exactly How We Day Trade Crude Oil and Win Well Over 90% of Our Trades With EPIC V3.

The thing we have learned using the EPIC v3 Oil Trading Strategy (rule-set for daytrading crude oil) is that it is highly stable, predictable, maintains a high win rate and provides a low stress environment to achieve an excellent return on equity.

Below are the details from today’s trading session, hopefully this will help you improve your trading skill-set.

Included in this Article;

  • Live Oil Trading Room raw video footage (I alert our day trades by voice over microphone),
  • Technical Analysis (Charts) we used to establish the reversal area of trade in oil (most probable low of day price),
  • Oil Trade Alert private feed (Twitter) and Discord private oil trade chat room where we share alerts, guidance, charting and more.

The EPIC v3 system for day-trading crude oil by far provides one of the best oil day-trading system results you will find. We have subscribed to many oil trading rooms and alert services out there (most) and have researched the returns the best funds are obtaining. EPIC’s v3 protocol is by far (as of today’s date) maintaining the best oil day-trading win rate percentage and best ROI we can find.

If you study the system and implement it as intended you will win. 

You have to study the strategies, really know the methods, practice executing the trades and preferably be present in the oil trading room receiving guidance from us as you are trading or at minimum receiving the trade alerts via Discord and/or Twitter private member feed.

Private Member Discord Oil Trade Chat Server (used for alerts, charting, guidance, etc).

Below are screen capture images from the oil chat room server showing you what charts were shared with alert comments. The live oil trading room voice broadcast guidance provides our day-traders with significantly more strategy detail.

First the day-trades as they occurred today:

The trades you see below were executed because we knew that we were near the low of day and that a price reversal was very probable.

You will find that once we know the most probable area of trade on the day that is the low of day then we have a system of trading long in sequence on the 1 minute chart time frame using the other chart models as a guide also.

The five minute charting, 15 minute, 30 minute and 60 minute chart time-frames are all used.

Again, the video from the trading room footage will provide the most detail but the trade alerts, guidance and and charting revealed below will help you along some also.

The key is to not hold too much that you can’t correct your positioning through additional entries and / or surrendering a small loss if required to then enter another long position at the next support (when oil is selling off intra-day).

It is vital that you do not hold a long trade of any significant size in an intra-day sell-off, this will cause significant draw-downs to your account. You can always exit and take another trade if you protect your down-side.

Another key is holding enough in the reversal so that you can slowly release size as the reversal trade is occurring (something we are working on with the EPIC v3 software). 

Curt MelonopolyToday at 7:50 AM
Preferred buys 53.76 trading 54.04 intra day.
Long 1/10 53.75 tight stops
Sell 1/10 53.93 hold 0

Curt MelonopolyToday at 9:50 AM
Long 1/10 53.18 and 1/10 53.35 from earlier test caution tight stops on structured range accumulation trade

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Preferred buy area guidance (per chart model supports) and first crude oil daytrade alerts in oil trading room to start the day.

Sold 1/10 53.30 holds 1/10

Curt MelonopolyToday at 10:02 AM
Long 1/10 53.08 add holds 2
Sold 1/10 53.21 holds 1/10

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Follow-up daytrades in oil trading room as intra-day continues after main sell-off early in the day.

Curt MelonopolyToday at 10:13 AM
Software has a 52.92 add 1/10 long but won’t hold if this range breaks down. Holds 2/10 long.

Curt MelonopolyToday at 10:44 AM
Close 1/10 53.23 holds 1

Curt MelonopolyToday at 10:53 AM
Decent structure here

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More day trade alerted within price range on charting as low of day in oil price is being traded.

Close 53.42 hold 0/10 nice win

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Screen capture shows last oil trade alert for closed trades for successful wins on the day.

Exactly How We Established The Most Probable Low of Day Oil Price for The Reversal Trade To Win 6 out of 6 Day-trades Explained Below.

The technical analysis (charting) you see in the screen shots from the live trading room are oil trading models that are part of our system. Because crude oil is now widely traded by machines the models are highly predictable and structured, there is a system (rule-set) for planning your trade strategy.

In addition to the chart models (conventional and algorithmic) we also use our proprietary order flow software system (IDENT) which is simply a software code that identifies patterns in order flow much like we do as traders in charting.

Curt MelonopolyToday at 11:12 AM

Channel support machine line area on EPIC 30 Minute Algorithmic Model

10:30 time cycle inflection low on 5 minute model and quad wall support

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Lead trader explaining by chart example the strategy used to establish the low of day price range for the oil day trades executed in trading room.

Channel support hit on 30 minute model

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Further guidance from lead trader in oil trading room sharing technical analysis to determine price reversal in crude oil.

How The Price Targets Are Established on the One Minute Oil Trading Time-Frame For Long Trades.

Once you have nailed the bottom area of intra-day trade (LOD) with your long trade positioning, the next challenge in daytrading crude oil is determining your price targets for trimming long positions and/or closing your positions all together.

One method we use (and our software is coded to) is symmetry as it relates to structured symmetry on the various algorithmic models on various time-frames. Below (and in more detail in the oil trading room video) I show our daytraders how to use the one minute oil chart time-frame symmetry to determine areas for price target upside extension for long trades.

Curt MelonopolyToday at 11:33 AM
software closed that sequence on 1 min symmetry (see arrow)

Curt MelonopolyToday at 12:02 PM
Video explains the reversal price target extensions based on 1 minute symmetry

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Lead trader explains price target extensions (technical analysis) on one minute oil chart for determing trims or closing positions.

Lead Trader Forward Oil Trade Guidance in Trading Room. Technical Analysis Suggests Further Downside Price Pressure Possible on Charting.

After the win it is important to know where you are going next, the trading strategy continues with forward looking support and resistance. Below is some of my technical analysis specific to the daily, weekly and monthly charting time frames.

Daily implies 51.45 low before decent bounce at TL

Weekly channel support 46.21 so lots of caution warranted

Monthly 47.00 area is support, again lots of caution trading 53.19

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Lead trader explains with technical analysis further downside price pressure possible on charting and to use caution.

Miscellaneous other lead trader technical analysis in oil trading room and status of oil machine trading software development and alerts.

Curt MelonopolyToday at 1:14 PM
We’re watching 1:30 time cycle for possible mid intra-day time cycle inflection (possible high of day), trading 53.61 and we have possible HOD around 53.80 – .90 Time cycle on 5 min model runs 12:00 – 3:00 EST

Curt MelonopolyToday at 2:15 PM
Short 53.92 1/10 tight stops
Covered 53.87 1/10 still in HF mode, may re short it

Curt MelonopolyToday at 2:32 PM
Nice move through the quad on the daily reversal, slowly teaching the software to gain more of these moves, its a slow process one tweak at a time

developing a low risk trade sequence to gain accumulated size at the intra-day bottoms has been the priority, that was tricky enough, but slowly one step at a time we’ll get the full range coded, software up well today just on the bottom reversal trades so we’re happy, but the range will be a game changer
the larger the account the easier the sequence becomes to capture the whole move also

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Miscellaneous other lead trader technical analysis in oil trading room and status of oil machine trading software development and alerts.

Screen image of private member private oil trading alert feed with trades as alerted through the day.

Below are the time stamped trade alerts from our private member oil trading alert feed and screen shots of the feed.

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
10h
Close 53.42 hold 0/10 nice win

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
10h
Curt MelonopolyToday at 10:44 AM
Close 1/10 53.23 holds 1

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
10h
Curt MelonopolyToday at 10:13 AM
Software has a 52.92 add 1/10 long but won’t hold if this range breaks down. Holds 2/10 long.

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
11h
Sold 1/10 53.21 holds 1/10

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
11h
Curt MelonopolyToday at 10:02 AM
Long 1/10 53.08 add holds 2

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
11h
Sold 1/10 53.30 holds 1/10

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
11h
Curt MelonopolyToday at 9:50 AM
Long 1/10 53.18 and 1/10 53.35 from earlier test caution tight stops on structured range accumulation trade

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
13h
Sell 1/10 53.93 hold 0

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
13h
Long 1/10 53.75 tight stops

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
13h
Curt MelonopolyToday at 7:50 AM
Preferred buys 53.76 trading 54.04 intra day.

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Screen image of private member private oil trading alert feed with trades as alerted through the day.

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Second screen image of crude oil trade alerts from private member service feed on Twitter.

Live Oil Trading Room Video.

Please note: The video below is a raw feed only of the oil trading room for the whole day-trading session (we run the live video feed from approximately 7:00am to 5:00pm EST). To listen to comments by the lead trader that contain specifics to his/her oil trade strategy / thinking as he/she and/or the software are trading and sending out alerts, look at the time stamp on the oil trade alert, chart, trading room screen capture image etc in this or any other report and correlate that to the video and go to that part of the video.

Oil Trading Profit and Loss.

For September 3, 2019 Profit & Loss Daily +$796 YTD +$13,764 Projected $86,619 or 87% Per Annum. v3 Oil Machine Trade 100k Sample Account (v4 period excluded) #OOTT $CL_F $USOIL $WTI $USO #machinetrading #oiltradealerts

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Sept 3 Profit & Loss Daily +$796 YTD +$13,764 Projected $86,619 or 87% Per Annum v3 Oil Machine Trade #OOTT $CL_F $USOIL $WTI $USO #machinetrading #oiltradealerts

How to Use Our Oil Trading Services. Oil Trade Alerts, Oil Trading Room, Oil Reports, Trade Coaching.

If you are struggling with your trading and need some trade coaching go to our website and register for a minimum 3 hours.

And if you’re really serious about learning how to trade crude oil to achieve our consistent v3 win rate and returns, review this particular oil trading room video from today.

Refer to the technical analysis charting and alerts time stamps and cross-reference the timing with the video time stamp and listen to the guidance in the oil trading room. Specifically the analysis of how we established the low range on the day is important. If a daytrader knows with confidence that intra-day trade is near a bottom then he/she can start to execute long trades in a systematic sequence to build size to garner better and better return on the day.

Email me as needed compoundtradingofficial@gmail.com.

Best and Peace,

Curt

Other Reading:

NYMEX WTI Light Sweet Crude Oil futures (ticker symbol CL), the world’s most liquid and actively traded crude oil contract, is the most efficient way to trade today’s global oil markets. https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/why-futures/welcome-to-nymex-wti-light-sweet-crude-oil-futures.html

Further Learning:

Learning to Trade Crude Oil is Like No Other. At this link you will find select articles from our oil traders real life day-to-day experience in our oil trading room. Crude Oil Trading Academy : Learn to Trade Oil

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Machine Learning is Changing Our World and Compound Gains are Powerful. This is a Short Story About How Machine Trading is Changing Portfolio Return, Risk and Compound Trading Expectations.

The World is Changing Fast. The Landscape of Public Markets, Risk and Portfolio Return Along With It.

A brief search on Google brings many articles about the increase in automated machine trading and the possible future forward scenarios for public markets.

I was recently interviewed about this very topic – the future is unknown, but in my basic thinking machine learning is here to stay, I have tried to compete against it and I intend to be on the right side of the ROI trajectory.

First, A Snap-Shot of Our Brief History.

When we started our trading service we demonstrated how day trading and swing trading could net good day traders consistently 100% – 400% a year with a systematic rules-based process.

We video recorded every session live, alerted the trades to our clients and documented each trade. 

The naysayer says “I seen this or that trade that didn’t work!” – the small cross-section analyst that didn’t do their homework that is. Sure, we had our losses. But what they don’t say is that over-all we proved the returns were not only possible but probable (live recorded, time stamped, live alerted) in a systematic manner if a day trader uses a sound rules-based process, has an appropriate account size to execute various trades and sizing to spread risk (as we alerted live) and protects his/her downside. Anyone can go through our live alerts and videos to determine this to be the case. And we’re not the only day trading service that has or continues to provide these results – some even more.

What’s the point?

The point is that if you take an isolated cross-section of time, or you kinda executed the processes or kind of protected your downside or didn’t start with an appropriate account size to spread your risk then your individual scenario may have been different. But over-all, an investigation in to our processes show over 100% returns over all per annum daytrading and / or swing trading.

More specifically to the point, the same principle applies to machine trade development and testing. 

When a trader reaches this level of day trading (a winning process within an appropriate account size with protected risk), he/she can then start thinking about compounding his/her gains (the holy grail for a day trader).

Or, as we did, the successful trader may chose to turn their attention to algorithmic modeling and then on to machine trading.

In our case, we started with cracking the code to and building software for trading crude oil futures contracts.

Why go in to further risk? Because I knew what my potential returns were investing (I have over three decades of experience) and I now knew what my potential returns were day trading and swing trading. The last frontier for me was machine learning and whether we could achieve better returns in automated trade with less future forward risk and effort.

My retirement years will be as a trader, the only questions for me are; what kind of trader and what are the returns?

Day trading and swing trading equities (along with trading various ETF type instruments) is much easier to master than day trading crude oil and manifold times easier than building software to trade crude oil or any other instrument.

We knew that if we mastered the code / rule-set of machine trade that higher returns were obviously possible and that we could then build software for numerous other instruments (at will) and obviously leverage our time and compound return potential far in to the future.

The EPIC v1 machine software real-world trade test was returning a projected 20% per annum, v2 40%, v3 80% and the goal for EPIC’s version 4 was 160%.

Version 4 was too aggressive and exceeded our risk tolerance so we returned to EPIC v3 and it has been running with sound stability and very low downside risk for seven weeks at approximately 90% projected annual returns. We expect this percentage to consistently increase over time (as the software learns) with little to no additional down-side risk.

Stability of Software – downside risk vs. return is key. V4 EPIC I believe could hit 800% per year or more but the volatility and subsequent risk therein was too much for us to stomach in real-world testing (real-world is also key and required – paper-trading when testing the software doesn’t cut it).

Below is the Seven Week Real-World Trading Performance YTD for EPIC v3 Crude Oil Futures Machine Trading Software.

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For August 23, 2019 Profit & Loss Daily +$862 YTD+$11,463 Projected $89,020 or 89% Per Annum. v3 Oil Machine Trade 100k Sample Account (v4 period excluded) #OOTT $CL_F $USOIL $WTI $USO #machinetrading #oiltradealerts

Below I provide the Compound Returns Based on our Current Oil Trading Results at 90% per annum Profit Compounded Over 3 Year Period.

The sample account starts with 100,000.00 and after 3 years has a balance of 761,651.00.

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Compound Account Returns according to Current Oil Trading Results at 90% per annum profit Compounded Over a Three (3) Year Period.

And below are the Compound Account Returns according to Current Oil Trading Results at 90% per annum profit Compounded Over a Six (6) Year Period.

The sample account starts with 100,000.00 and after 6 years has a balance of 5,801.117.00.

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Compound Account Returns according to Current Oil Trading Results 90% per annum profit Compounded Over a Six (6) Year Period.

Will We Meet The Annual Return and Compound Trade Return Projection?

Only time will tell the story.

What I know for sure is that our v3 EPIC Crude Oil Machine Trade Software is extremely stable, has near zero down-side risk and has consistent gains.

It has been running for seven weeks as of this Tuesday, which in the machine trading world is a near life-time. At the eight week mark it is almost mathematically impossible for it to fail and at the twelve week point it is something like 99.99999% sure it will meet or exceed the expectations within current ROI trajectory. 

My guess, v3 ends up performing at 100% – 150% and easily meets or exceeds the projections, I have zero doubt about its stability and ability to protect downside loss. But as I said, all return projections are yet to be seen, time will tell.

Relative to the Top Performing Hedge Funds of 2018 we are doing well, the Odey fund came out on top of the pack, generating about 53% in returns. Also relative to the best returns of all time we’re competing; The Renaissance Technologies Medallion fund is considered to be one of the most successful hedge funds ever. It has averaged a 71.8% annual return, before fees, from 1994 through mid-2014.

I always said we would never have taken this project on if we thought there was a considerable chance we would fail. We knew it would be one of the hardest things we’ll ever try and accomplish, but we believed we would get there.

In my best estimation, we have now successfully cracked the code.

Thanks for being part of and supporting our journey. 

Curt

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7:49 AM EST Friday Crude Oil Started Sharp Intra-Day Sell-Off Dropping 200 Points in 40 minutes. We Went Long Live in Oil Trading Room and Alerting Buys in To Sell-Off and Nailed the Low Price and High Price of Day.

In the article below (one of the most important we have written) we detail the oil day trading strategy, trade positions (mapped on a chart) we executed short and long, screen capture images of oil trade alerts feed, technical charts, strategy comments, and live oil trading room raw video.

The Strategy Set-Up.

Thursday night going in to Friday morning (in CL futures trade) we alerted members by email and oil trade chat room (Discord server) there was a high probability of a significant sell-off coming in the over-night futures trading session (in to regular US market open). It was a channel resistance and symmetry set-up.

Oil did plunge in to the early morning on USA-China Trade War Escalation;

Oil plunged on trade-war escalation https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-plunges-trade-war-escalation-190000557.html?.tsrc=rss.

This set-up strategy we had been alerting to our members for some time as the trading channel resistance on the 30 minute chart time-frame was being challenged by oil bulls.

The key point is that there was also a significant algorithmic chart model symmetrical set-up developing, hence the alerts and trade guidance in the oil trade room (broadcast by voice).

You can see in the chart below the large red arrow and the green lighter arrows pointing down to a support area on the 30 minute chart. The red arrow is the area on the chart model to watch for the possible short selling set-up (as alerted) and the green arrows are the possible trajectory of the short trade.

The symmetry our models identified targeted this area of the chart model and time.

If you review the live oil trading room raw footage you will hear about the short set-up and strategy (which I know is cumbersome because we haven’t had time to splice short time frame snippets for you yet). But if you’re serious about wanting to become an expert oil trader the time is well invested.

Below is one alert to our members (screen shot capture) from the oil trading room. Our software did fire but this set-up is still being tweaked in the code (it was only a small win), but the subsequent long side oil futures buys were exceptional in that we nailed the low of day, each low of day and high of day thereafter.

Thursday night in to Friday (in CL futures trade) alerted members oil trade chat room high probability significant sell-off in over-night futures trade.

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Thursday night in to Friday (in CL futures trade) alerted members oil trade chat room high probability significant sell-off in over-night futures trade

As mentioned, we executed a short position prior to the sell-off (see trade locations below) but closed the position shortly before the 200 point tumble in oil price (the v3 EPIC software IDENT program had also alerted us to the order-flow turning down).

The code in our software is slowly being tweaked to move with the sharp intra-day crude oil sell-offs, it won’t be long and we will be hitting most sell-offs (for those that are unaware we now nail near all low of day reversals so we are tweaking the code for the other side of the trade, the sell-offs).

In the article below we highlight how we hit the low of day trade during the sell-off, how we hit the low in each bounce thereafter and how we closed our final oil long position at the high of day.

Our most recent article to this deals with the opposite scenario, selling in to resistance during an intra-day crude oil rally, read it here.

Before reading this article, please read the introductory article (for context) to this series here: How Oil Day Traders Can Learn to Trade Better Using Success & Failure of Our Trading Development Team – Part 1.

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Recent Trading Profit/Loss Results v3 EPIC Oil Machine Trade For 100K Sample Account:

For August 23, 2019 Profit & Loss Daily +$862 YTD+$11,463 Projected $89,020 or 89% Per Annum. v3 Oil Machine Trade 100k Sample Account (v4 period excluded) #OOTT $CL_F $USOIL $WTI $USO #machinetrading #oiltradealerts

The Power of Compounding Returns With a Systematic Compound Trading Process.

Crude Oil Trading Compound Return Projection Based on Current Results 100K Sample Acct #OOTT $CL_F $USOIL $WTI $USO #OilTradeAlerts #MachineLearning

Friday Oil Trading Room Session.

Please note:

  • When we alert 1/10 that means (for example) on an account of 100,000.00 that would normally execute a trade size of maximum 10 contracts, 1/10 size then represents 1 contract. We use a 100k account for our sample set for simplicity.
  • Trades and the strategy therein are alerted to a live trade broadcast room by voice (by a leader trader) and published as time allows to an oil trading alert feed on Twitter and in a Discord private member server.

The Trade Strategy Set-Up – Buying Crude Oil in to the Intra-day Sell-Off.

As mentioned above, the real key to this oil trade strategy story (the set-up and trades on the day) wasn’t the short side but how we managed to nail the bottom on a vicious sell-off, then nail each subsequent bottom and high of day while buying oil in to the sell-off plunge. 

Key take-away rules for trading long in to the sell-off:

  • Know the technical support on all chart time-frames (conventional and algorithmic).
  • Know which support areas are most probable areas for an intra-day reversal by way of historical back-tested data.
  • When order flow and price action reverse (bulls are buying and shorts are covering during the sell-off) is a key indicator that the low-of-day in oil trade may be in place.
  • When systematic market wide machine liquidity starts progressive buy programs, this is the low of day near 100% of the time (IDENT program). This is by far our best intra-day crude oil trading signal (proprietary and in development).
  • Manage trade sizing and sequence – releasing size of trade, adds, closing position etc.
  • Manage stops properly and know when to hold some or most of your trade size. 

Below is a screen image capture of some oil chat room guidance alerts as the sell-off progressed in premarket and then the buying started at support (see other screen images below).

Curt MelonopolyLast Friday at 8:04 AM
Price target hit on that previous alert, we didn’t hold through the whole range as it was later than predicted, JeremyToday at 5:03 AM
Sell 55.37 1/10 on order flow protocol, 1st price target 54.80 6:30 AM. Will advise.

Example of algorithmic modeling (30 min doodle), symmetry alert at red arrow from earlier, follow green arrows down to bottom of channel.
nice move

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Example of algorithmic modeling (30 min), symmetry alert red arrow from earlier, green arrows down bottom channel.

What are the Probabilities of Trading The Low of Day, Each Low at Each Bounce and Closing High of Day?

Machine learning (as it applies to trading) is not like human learning and execution in that once the software begins to master a set-up it will rarely lose that similar set-up in future and it will increasingly extract more profit each time.

If you don’t want to use machine learning to enhance your trading (engaging a firm like our partners at Sovoron) then perhaps you can learn from the machine software (via alerts or oil trading room) to enhance your own oil day trading strategy.

Some of our clients do both – they have machine learning automation and mechanical human executed day trading in their over-all strategy. 

Either way, below is a summary time-line with screen image shots of how it was done.

Below is a chart showing the oil trades for the day that were alerted to the feeds and broadcast live in the oil trading room.

Location (plotted on 1 minute chart) of EPIC v3 crude oil trade alerts. Green arrows on the chart are long entries and red are selling executions of trade #OOTT $CL_F $WTI $USOIL $USO #machinelearning #oiltradealerts

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Location of EPIC v3 crude oil trade alerts today #OOTT $CL_F $WTI $USOIL $USO #machinelearning #oiltradealerts

Oil Trade Alerts Feed Screen Capture Images for Friday Daytrading Sequence

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
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Aug 23
Curt MelonopolyToday at 8:39 AM
Sell 1/10 53.66 hold 0

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
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Aug 23
Sell 1/10 53.65 hold 1

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
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Aug 23
Curt MelonopolyToday at 8:27 AM
Long 2/10 53.56 tight stops

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
Aug 23
Price target hit on that previous alert, we didn’t hold through the whole range as it was later than predicted, “JeremyToday at 5:03 AM
Sell 55.37 1/10 on order flow protocol, 1st price target 54.80 6:30 AM. Will advise.”

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
Aug 23
JeremyToday at 7:50 AM
Cover 55.19 1/10 hold 0

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
Aug 23
JeremyToday at 5:03 AM
Sell 55.37 1/10 on order flow protocol, 1st price target 54.80 6:30 AM. Will advise.

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Screen capture image of oil trade alerts signalling buys long crude oil as oil plunged.

As day trading oil continued Friday the image below shows a screen shot of the trade alerts sent out to members. Each low of day in trade was bought by our lead trader and software and profit trimmed and sold as price of oil went up.

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
Aug 23
Long 2/10 53.53 sold 1/10 53.61

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
·
Aug 23
Curt MelonopolyToday at 11:04 AM
Long 1/10 54.00

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As daytrading oil continued Friday the image shows the trade alerts sent out to members.

Screen shot of oil trade alerts in to the end of the day trading sequence on Friday from oil trading room. The last trade alerted was the high of day which concluded trade for the day in the oil trading room.

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
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Aug 23
Curt MelonopolyToday at 2:21 PM
Sold 54.11 1/10 hold 0

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
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Aug 23
Curt MelonopolyToday at 1:11 PM
Sell 1/10 53.47 holds 1

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
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Aug 23
Curt MelonopolyToday at 1:04 PM
Long 53.32 3/10, sell 1/10 .37, sell 1/10 .40 , hold 1 add and 1 hold for 2/10 hold

EPIC Alerts
@OilAlerts_CT
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Aug 23
Curt MelonopolyToday at 11:19 AM
Sold 1/10 53.86 hold 1

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Screen shot of oil trade alerts in to the end of the day trading sequence on Friday from oil trading room.

Intra-Day Time Cycles Are Key for Oil Traders.

Curt MelonopolyLast Friday at 11:45 AM
Sell off cam in perfect at 11:00 mid time cycle inflection

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Screen shot from oil trading room shows 5 min model time cycle inflection for buy and sell in daytrade strategy

So How Did We Nail the Short Oil Prediction in Over Night / Premarket Session, Nail The Low of Day Price Target Trade, Subsequent Low of Day Trades and High of Day Trade?

We have thousands of rules in our algorithmic models to which each rule is weighted against the others, so this is no short answer.

But if you read the article above closely, you look at the alerts and if you are a member look at all the other charting and information sent out prior to and during this trade set-up you will begin learning (or add to your oil day trading strategy too-kit) many excellent additions to help you increase your profits.

The live trading room videos also help, reviewing past articles will help you, having all the conventional and algorithmic charts available to you for immediate reference during intra-day trade, trade coaching helps (I’ve never had a complaint) and being in the live trading room is key if you are really serious about learning our rule-set.

The oil trading rule-set that our v3 EPIC machine learning software uses is one of the best in the world, we know this because we did the hard work in back-testing every trading rule it uses and designing a trading strategy that weighs the rules one against the other.

The win rate, the return rate, the stability and the precision of the oil trading software is evidence of this fact.

You now just have to put in your part of the work – we have already done the heavy lifting for you.

Welcome to the matrix.

Live Oil Trading Room Video.

Please note: The video below is a raw feed only of the oil trading room for the whole day-trading session (we run the live video feed from 7am to 5pm EST). To listen to comments by the lead trader that contain specifics to his/her oil trade strategy / thinking as he/she and/or the software are trading and sending out alerts, look at the time stamp on the oil trade alert, chart, trading room screen capture image etc in this or any other report and correlate that to the video and go to that part of the video.

If you are struggling with your trading and need some trade coaching go to our website and register for a minimum 3 hours.

Email me as needed compoundtradingofficial@gmail.com.

Remember also that I am doing an oil trading information webinar once a week for now on (covering our software status and trading techniques) so email me if you would like to attend this next one – you will need a special link and access code to attend.

Thanks,

Curt

Other Reading:

NYMEX WTI Light Sweet Crude Oil futures (ticker symbol CL), the world’s most liquid and actively traded crude oil contract, is the most efficient way to trade today’s global oil markets. https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/why-futures/welcome-to-nymex-wti-light-sweet-crude-oil-futures.html

Further Learning:

Learning to Trade Crude Oil is Like No Other. At this link you will find select articles from our oil traders real life day-to-day experience in our oil trading room. Crude Oil Trading Academy : Learn to Trade Oil

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